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Ornery's Handy Dandy Scouting Guide

2009-10-16 02:44:37 by ornery
Updated

:UPDATED: 19/12/09
Scouting FAQ and guide because to many of you dont seem to quite get it. Feel free to ask further questions here and I will add them to the list if they are good enough. I will answer all of them regardless.

First the 3 fundamental rules of scouting.
1. DO NOT ASK TO BE SCOUTED! ANYWHERE! EVER!
2. Only accept scout requests from users who you don't think will be pruned.
3. DO NOT ASK TO BE SCOUTED!

Q. What is Scouting?
It is a system implemented in the NG art portal that lets users decide who is allowed to post art in the portal. Only scouted users can submit art to the portal. All users can submit work to their user page though, and anyone can see the work (assuming they visit your user page), even if its not marked for the portal.

Q. How do I scout people?
First you have to be scouted. Then you can find any user who has at least 4 pieces that you feel is good enough for the art portal and send them a scout request. You can send 4 scout requests a day, if someone rejects your request you will be granted another one for that day.

Q. How do I get Scouted?
First, make good art, people will notice you if you are good. You must have at least 4 pieces to get scouted. When someone wants to scout you, you will be sent a request via PM. You can then choose to accept or deny their request.

Q. Can I get requests from multiple people?
Yes. Pick the one you like. Make sure its an artist you feel wont get pruned though.

Q. Pruned? Whats that?
Its when an artist is removed from the art portal, when this happens any one who they have scouted will be pruned along with them. Think of it like a tree branch, anything supported by that branch gets knocked off with it.

Q. When I've been pruned, can I be re-scouted?
Yes.

Q. What would make me get pruned?
Submitting rule breaking work, or not having good enough work.

Q.It says my scouting privileges have been taken away? What gives?
You have been 'castrated'.

Q. What the hell is 'castrated'?
Its a term the mods use for when they remove a users scouting privileges. You get castrated by scouting users who break the rules, or have bad work. Sometimes all it takes is one user under you to cause you to get castrated. It depends on what their infraction was. If you scout an obvious thief, or someone who submits real porn chances are you will get castrated. It might take scouting a few users with bad art to get you castrated though. When you are castrated you are still allowed to submit work and be in the portal, you will also keep any good scouts you may have had.

Q. Will I ever get my privileges back?
Depends on how bad you were at scouting. Contact a mod for more details on your castration.

Q. I have 4 submissions, but I'm not getting scouted, whats up with that?
Either your work isn't good enough, or you haven't marked the submissions as public (viewable in the art portal) Only public marked submissions count towards the 4 you need to get scouted.

Q. How do I mark work as public?
When you submit a piece, there is a box towards the bottom, check it.

Q. This scouting system seems flawed, art is to varied to be considered good enough.
The system has a few bugs here and there, but its not flawed. Any user who is scouted that can see the unscouted section will see how much bad art the system keeps out of the portal. As for good art being a matter of opinion, yes its true everyone has different tastes, but we are trying to make the overall quality of the art portal be far above that of most other art showcases, so we try to have only the best work up.

Q. Ok, I've been scouted, and I can see a list of recommended users? What is this list?
Its a list of users who have the most recommendations to be scouted. HOWEVER just because they are on this list doesn't mean they are good scouting candidates. It is merely a slightly helpful list of people you might have missed in the unscouted section. The list updates about every day or so. If you are scouted you will have to use up your scout requests for that day in order to recommend users.

Q.How do I recommend users?
Anyone can recommend a user for the art portal, doesn't matter how many pieces they have. All you have to do is click the recommend user button on their art page. If they get enough recommendations and are eligible for scouting they will be added to that list. You can only recommend a user once, but you can recommend as many users a day as you want.

Remember, feel free to PM any art mod if you have questions about the art portal, but make sure its not one that is answered in the rules or in this list.

!!!!ORNERY'S PERSONAL 'GETTING SCOUTED' ADVICE!!!!
So you have 4 pieces, and are still stuck in scouting limbo? Fear not there are ways to remedy it.
STEP 1. First make sure you have at least 4 of your pieces marked for public viewing.
STEP 2. Keep submitting work, everytime you make a new piece, you get put at the front of the unscouted section, most scouters are lazy and only check the first 2 pages or so of that section.
STEP 3. Make better work. Probably the real reason why you arent getting scouted is your stuff sucks, make better stuff.
STEP 4. Delete your bad stuff. If you have 2 good pieces but 18 shitty ones, people will ignore your good work and think that it was either stolen or a fluke, prove that you can consistantly make good stuff.
STEP 5. DON'T STEAL ANYTHING! If you get caught stealing work, or breaking any of the Art Portal rules chances are you have fucked all chances of getting scouted, or remaining scouted. The mods know when you steal something and remember it, and once you do it and get caught good luck getting into the art portal because we will be suspicious of anything you make.


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LegolaSSLegolaSS

2009-10-16 02:51:57

thanks for the helpfull information, cleared up a few issues my end of things as well :3

ornery responds:

Glad to help


falarinxfalarinx

2009-10-16 03:38:42

This is useful information to whom it may apply to.

Enjoy life.

ornery responds:

Hopefully it answers questions and stops future misunderstandings.


m103904m103904

2009-10-16 06:36:16

ty not saying u sould scout me but could u just check out my art

ornery responds:

I did, its pretty bad.


JoeTheToucanJoeTheToucan

2009-10-18 14:53:57

About as handy as something that isn't very handy

ornery responds:

So like a prosthetic hand made of mashed potatoes?


RustySpoons95RustySpoons95

2009-10-21 07:22:36

Tom fucked up scouting when he reset it. Its really useless..

ornery responds:

Care to elaborate?


TimmyTimmy

2009-10-25 00:44:12

A bit off-topic, but didn't you make a sketch involving a midget having sex with a mentally handicapped person?

If that was you, I think you should upload it to the art portal.

ornery responds:

yeah, not really something i want on my portal page, but maybe sometime ill feel whack and go for it anyway with the rest of the porn thread stuff.


Fifty-50Fifty-50

2009-10-27 04:31:38

Great guide. That guide perfectly explained the mechanics of scouting. I'll have to follow this guide...

ornery responds:

And there ya go, scout away good sir.


sumidiotdudesumidiotdude

2009-10-31 00:23:13

Ugh, I've been pruned twice. It was when the art portal first came into existance, too.

Nice handy-dandy guide though, it should be beneficial to all the curious users out there. Keep us updated!

ornery responds:

This guide did not cover the few instances in the past where the art portal was reset for various reasons, because those sort of events are not excepted to happen again.


JonBroJonBro

2009-11-08 10:39:08

Thanks for the scout!

I was kinda hoping after getting scouted, all my work would automatically show up on the first page of the Art Portal, but that doesn't seem to be how it works. Ah well, I'm scouted :D

ornery responds:

Nope, the portal runs by date submitted by default, but you can always change the sorting methods.


JoeTheToucanJoeTheToucan

2009-11-11 14:19:54

Man, I need advice on scouting. Oh, I know! Of course! I'll go straight to this 'onery' guy's page! Despite the fact I don't know who he is, or care, he's sure to have a one-in-a-million chance of having a handy dandy scouting guide for me!
Whaddya know! He does!
How fortunate I was!

ornery responds:

I dont know how to scout, and the questions I have aren't in the rules and I don't want to read through the whole art portal Q&A thread, I know I'll ask a forum mod, they should know. What the forum mod called me a dickwhistle and told be to ask an ART MOD? Well, I'll be, there are art mods, and this ornery guy is one of them? Who woulda thunk it? And look he has a guide right there instead of clogging a thread with this and questions pertaining to it.


3-C-C-3-N-7-R-1-C3-C-C-3-N-7-R-1-C

2009-11-20 12:11:46

Nice guide! Though the scout system doesn't seem really fair. I'm still waiting to get scouted. Check out my submissions if you want. I like traditional art. :)

ornery responds:

By my standards you arent good enough, however someone else might like your work, keep making more and getting better and someone might notice you.


JordanDJordanD

2009-12-08 00:48:40

Thanks for the scout sir ornery! You are both a gentleman and a scholar! :P

ornery responds:

Why thank you.


KosukKosuk

2009-12-19 07:36:32

thanks man! this helps a lot!!

ornery responds:

Any time


ElsidElsid

2009-12-19 08:09:18

Beautiful, clear as glass explination reminds me of diamonds I love it I love it I love it.

ornery responds:

Diamonds? ok?


The-Chosen1The-Chosen1

2009-12-19 08:20:36

Thanks a lot^^

ornery responds:

Welcome


vegetable-insanityvegetable-insanity

2009-12-21 22:05:16

nice guide man it cleared up a lot of things to me, thanks.
one question:
i have just one drawing so i'm not scoutable yet (its marked as public) will it apear in the unscouted section or i have to be scoutable for my work to apear there?
just curious

(Updated ) ornery responds:

You wont appear in the unscouted section until you have at least 4 pieces. Even if they arent marked public, all you need is 4 pieces to show up in the scouted section as of now. However if you have more than 4 pieces, but not at least 4 public pieces people can see you there, but wont have the actual option to scout you.


ZaneZansorrowZaneZansorrow

2009-12-22 01:40:11

y not keep some of the bad arts to show the progress of improvements to where the artist see now

ornery responds:

keeping one or two bad pieces is fine, especially as non-public works, but having the bulk of your stuff being crap isnt good. Also keeping really bad stuff makes the mods suspicious of your really good work, because a huge discrepancy between works is normally a sign of theft.


ZaneZansorrowZaneZansorrow

2009-12-23 23:29:34

well cause i first start of with ms paint, which i put non-public, then i put in scaned work, which i also put in non-public, then i use an online paint that i put in public, o n should i announce non-public or public arts of mine in the commentary

ornery responds:

You dont have too, mods can see it, and other users will know the difference once you are scouted. I would hold off on bad pieces until you have a large collection of good pieces and are scouted. Once scouted you can submit as much as you want and just keep the bad ones private and it wont hurt you.


hagopovskihagopovski

2009-12-29 13:09:06

Thank goodness someone left a detailed enough post about this scouting thing :| thanks .

ornery responds:

Yeah, too many people seemed confused about it, its not that difficult a concept once you get the hang of it.


CuzoneCuzone

2009-12-29 16:28:20

Thanks for the guide, is there a delay between someone scouting you and the PM popping up? A friend in newgrounds said he scouted me, but so far nothing happened. Do you need to be scouted by more than one user? is there a mod approval?

Thanks anyway for the guide and hopefully, for you reply.
Cheers!

ornery responds:

Hmm, must be a glitch, are you 100% sure that he did and isnt just lying to you? There normally isnt a delay, and there is no limit of people who have to send you a request, nor is there mod approval. If you can gurantee that he tried scouting you PM Rob, he handles the art portal glitches at the moment.


TimmyTimmy

2010-01-07 14:03:01

I no i only haf 1 art thing, but kan i b scooted nao?

ornery responds:

No U cantz, youz ned fwee mo pieces 2 b scooted. Lucky ewe dough, yo piece id apooved by tom perfenably eben though it be phootoo collage.


thepetergriffinthepetergriffin

2010-01-09 01:32:31

thanks for the help,you're the man

ornery responds:

no prob


ultrafemultrafem

2010-01-21 12:13:02

This is helpful info, thanks. I was scouted almost immediately, but I didn't know what it even meant.

ornery responds:

Good to hear.


limpan93limpan93

2010-02-10 08:52:04

Oh lol, I was wondering why I didn' show up in the art portal...

ornery responds:

Yep be patient and keep submitting good stuff and you should be noticed soon enough.


ThePeanutSharkThePeanutShark

2010-02-12 22:15:06

thanx so much for scouting me.

ornery responds:

Thanks for having good work.


bigjonny13bigjonny13

2010-02-19 20:05:16

CAN I HAS GET PRIVELAGES?

ornery responds:

Can you has submit more and better works nowz kthnxbai


PsychodilloPsychodillo

2010-03-08 19:44:36

Thank you for this guide! If I didn't read this, I would never have known that I had to have four pieces of art or that I have to check my PMs and accept to be scouted.

ornery responds:

Glad to be of service.


CaptainCaptain

2010-03-09 06:23:22

I just can't seem to get kicked out the portal, s'upwidat?

ornery responds:

I was going to kick you but your mom said I needed to be nicer to you or she wouldn't let me stick it in her pooper anymore. <3


TheTrueBigBossTheTrueBigBoss

2010-03-22 16:46:51

helps a bunch :) thank you
i take it my art sux :P

ornery responds:

Not really, you just didnt have enough pieces marked as public. Dont worry I fixed that for you.


DomoDomo

2010-03-23 23:58:46

thankyou

ornery responds:

sure thing.


TheTrueBigBossTheTrueBigBoss

2010-03-25 04:00:33

fixed it? o.o
haha well thanks again for this post, now i wait :D

ornery responds:

As in a tagged the ones that should be public as such. Mods can do that.


SheizenhammerSheizenhammer

2010-04-04 14:29:45

I wonder why the 'not good enough' aspect of moderation has been applied to the audio and art portals, but not the flash portal?

I mean, yeah, there's a judgement filter, but it's largely run by moron kids who'll 5 any old shite as long as it's got hentai and/or half-assed graphics. Why don't we have mods (or any group of people who can tell a decent flash from a pathetic attempt at grabbing votes from dumbshits) deciding what should be in the portal?

ornery responds:

The portal is the bread and butter of newgrounds. More submissions go into it than any other part of the site. To leave the content up to a small oligarchy would be suicide for the future of the site. Disincluding the general users would suddenly turn NG away from "Everything by everyone" to "Everything censored by a few" and would make it no better than any other flash site.
True it would cut down and the crap coming in, but the difference is that the current system while it has a few leaks, does in fact keep a bulk of the crap out. A few people have discovered a way to pass bad flash, but that is what adds to the charm of the portal really. Its the most free of the portals and the least restricted because creating a flash with just stickmen fighting still takes more effort and time than drawing one in MS paint, which is what the art portal would flood with without the scouting system. Also the idea behind the scouting system is to keep bad stuff out of the portal, but still allow the users to put any legit art piece on their user pages. So just because its not in the portal doesnt mean they cant have their images on the site. The B/P system forces people to strive to reach at least some level of skill in order to get a flash passed.
There are also those who argue that alot of the spam flash is actually good, and in a way it is. It is its own avant-garde movement that adds to the wide vareity of the largest and first flash collection on the internet.


JaonaJaona

2010-04-15 14:24:04

Thanks for this! Now off to wait for some scouting....

ornery responds:

Scouting achieved!


RathaloskidRathaloskid

2010-04-18 16:55:02

Well i have to admit..this is pretty in depth. For all the others reading this!! You only have 20 spaces for art if you are unscouted!! Trust me i know...But other than that this is all good advice!

ornery responds:

Excellent point, ill have to add that in somewhere when i get around to it.


Mans0nMans0n

2010-04-25 02:34:28

never noticed u are a mod! :O just sayin wasup

ps nice icon ftw

ornery responds:

So now im only worthy of talking to cuz im a mod :(


PaniczPanicz

2010-04-30 16:04:06

My friend Bullsik, an illustrator, created an account on ng. He submitted his artwork (very decent one I must say). Yet it didn't appear on the art portal so far. I clicked "recommend this user" to help him. As I understand, he has to be "scouted". Does it mean he has to wait to be "discovered" by a renown ng artist? Will someone of the ng crew do that? Should he request artists via PM to scout him or post such a request on the forum? How else can I help him?

ornery responds:

Im sure he has been sent scout invites, ask him to check his inbox for the confirmations. He should not PM anyone asking for a scout, nor should he post anywhere asking for a scout.


CalicoSimoneCalicoSimone

2010-05-04 12:26:48

Thanks, that really cleared things up. :)

ornery responds:

Welcome, and on a side note your 3 newest submissions are a hell of a lot better than your 3 older ones.


StodgyAyatollahStodgyAyatollah

2010-05-04 14:39:49

Informative, I didn't know you needed to have four marked as public to be eligible for scouting. If you ever have the time would you be wiling to take a look at what I've submitted and let me know what you think I should have marked as public, if any. Just looking for opinions since I'm still fairly new here.

ornery responds:

Good stuff, keep working and you should get scouted pretty soon.


StodgyAyatollahStodgyAyatollah

2010-05-06 11:34:30

I'll just assume that everything I have marked as public is good enough since you didn't say otherwise. I'm not as concerned about getting scouted as I am about having stuff marked as public that isn't good enough if I am scouted. From what I've seen in the art portal it's kind of hard to judge the level of quality that is expected.

ornery responds:

Just keep making stuff, if the bulk of your pieces are good enough you have nothing to worry about, we mods can unmark the ones that aren't up to snuff and you can keep your scout.


MakagaMakaga

2010-05-07 17:21:51

Great guide!
It answers my questions about the art portal.
Thanks, see you later...

ornery responds:

dont you have to see me first to see me later?


RhunycRhunyc

2010-05-10 20:32:03

This has no relevance to your blog post, but I watched A Scanner Darkly last night on a whim, and I decided that you look like Keanu Reeves when he's cell shaded.

Example:
http://www.chinadaily.cn/entertainmen t/2006-06/19/xin_17060319171133213324 2.jpg

:|

ornery responds:

God damnit.... *tallys another for keanu reeves*


CloudEaterCloudEater

2010-05-22 09:13:35

This guide is so Handy and Dandy!

ornery responds:

So is your mother.


CharlieCharlie

2010-06-07 11:43:07

I lost my "Scout-hood" Due to the portal error :'(

ornery responds:

Thats unfortunate, keep submitting work and you might get rescouted.


LuwanoLuwano

2010-06-07 20:11:58

Actually the FAQ's "submitting art" section should link to thís post. Or they should add it to the FAQ. Or they should delete the whole section and let you rewrite it. :P

Or people should at least read the FAQ to avoid the same questions over and over again, but that's another issue....

But honestly, great guide with helpful information and indeed very handy when it comes to people asking to be scouted. Thank you!

ornery responds:

Plenty welcome, it would be kind of neat to have all this info in the FAQ now wouldn't it.


bboykrillinbboykrillin

2010-06-09 21:10:27

Very interesting system, i think this whole scouting business is why i like Newgrounds so much more than DeviantArt these days.

Cheers for the info :)

ornery responds:

Quality control for the win.


BorjoyzeeBorjoyzee

2010-06-20 17:40:51

Thanks on that..so three months have passed...It can't take much longer...

ornery responds:

Like it says in the guide, keep submitting new work and replace the old stuff, because obviously what you currently have isn't working.


UnicornRebelUnicornRebel

2010-06-23 20:08:39

You have no right to be located in various degrees of sanity when you believe there is such a thing as a personal universal sense of quality or shit art. *Replaces your top hat with a dunce hat*

ornery responds:

Trust me, if the art portal were controlled by my personal preference of art, it would be a fairly empty exclusive place.


7swords7swords

2010-07-07 04:47:58

I really like the part about choosing your scouts, I didn't and look what happened to me...

ornery responds:

Yep very important to trace your prospective tree up a few branches to see how stable its foundation is.


TheThinWhaleTheThinWhale

2010-07-08 15:06:07

Your name is just like Oney but with R's

ornery responds:

You mean his name is just like mine minus the R's


spader11spader11

2010-07-18 18:37:12

Thanks for the help, this really cleared up my questions. :)

ornery responds:

Any time