Ornery's Handy Dandy Scouting Guide

2009-10-16 02:44:37 by ornery
Updated

:UPDATED: 21/05/2017

NOTE - This is mainly about the art portal.  The audio portal works similarly, but for questions about the specifics of the audio scouting system please see an audio mod for advice.


Scouting FAQ and guide because to many of you dont seem to quite get it. Feel free to ask further questions here and I will add them to the list if they are good enough. I will answer all of them regardless.

First the 3 fundamental rules of scouting.
1. DO NOT ASK TO BE SCOUTED! ANYWHERE! EVER!
2. Only accept scout requests from users who you don't think will be pruned.
3. DO NOT ASK TO BE SCOUTED!

Q. What is Scouting?
It is a system implemented in the NG art portal that lets users decide who is allowed to post art in the portal. Only scouted users can submit art to the portal. All users can submit work to their user page though, and anyone can see the work (assuming they visit your user page), even if its not marked for the portal.

Q. How do I scout people?
First you have to be scouted. Then you can find any user who has at least 4 pieces that you feel is good enough for the art portal and send them a scout request. You can send 4 scout requests a day, if someone rejects your request you will be granted another one for that day.

Q. How do I get Scouted?
First, make good art, people will notice you if you are good. You must have at least 4 pieces to get scouted. When someone wants to scout you, you will be sent a request via PM. You can then choose to accept or deny their request.

Q. Can I get requests from multiple people?
Yes. Pick the one you like. Make sure its an artist you feel wont get pruned though.

Q. Pruned? Whats that?
Its when an artist is removed from the art portal, when this happens any one who they have scouted will be pruned along with them. Think of it like a tree branch, anything supported by that branch gets knocked off with it.

Q. When I've been pruned, can I be re-scouted?
Yes.

Q. What would make me get pruned?
Submitting rule breaking work, or not having good enough work.

Q.It says my scouting privileges have been taken away? What gives?
You have been 'castrated'.

Q. What the hell is 'castrated'?
Its a term the mods use for when they remove a users scouting privileges. You get castrated by scouting users who break the rules, or have bad work. Sometimes all it takes is one user under you to cause you to get castrated. It depends on what their infraction was. If you scout an obvious thief, or someone who submits real porn chances are you will get castrated. It might take scouting a few users with bad art to get you castrated though. When you are castrated you are still allowed to submit work and be in the portal, you will also keep any good scouts you may have had.

Q. Will I ever get my privileges back?
Depends on how bad you were at scouting. Contact a mod for more details on your castration.

Q. I have 4 submissions, but I'm not getting scouted, whats up with that?
Either your work isn't good enough, or you haven't marked the submissions as public (viewable in the art portal) Only public marked submissions count towards the 4 you need to get scouted.

Q. How do I mark work as public?
When you submit a piece, there is a box towards the bottom, check it.

Q. This scouting system seems flawed, art is to varied to be considered good enough.
The system has a few bugs here and there, but its not flawed. Any user who is scouted that can see the unscouted section will see how much bad art the system keeps out of the portal. As for good art being a matter of opinion, yes its true everyone has different tastes, but we are trying to make the overall quality of the art portal be far above that of most other art showcases, so we try to have only the best work up.

Q. Ok, I've been scouted, and I can see a list of recommended users? What is this list?
Its a list of users who have the most recommendations to be scouted. HOWEVER just because they are on this list doesn't mean they are good scouting candidates. It is merely a slightly helpful list of people you might have missed in the unscouted section. The list updates about every day or so. If you are scouted you will have to use up your scout requests for that day in order to recommend users.

Q.How do I recommend users?
Anyone can recommend a user for the art portal, doesn't matter how many pieces they have. All you have to do is click the recommend user button on their art page. If they get enough recommendations and are eligible for scouting they will be added to that list. You can only recommend a user once, but you can recommend as many users a day as you want.

Remember, feel free to PM any art mod if you have questions about the art portal, but make sure its not one that is answered in the rules or in this list.

!!!!ORNERY'S PERSONAL 'GETTING SCOUTED' ADVICE!!!!
So you have 4 pieces, and are still stuck in scouting limbo? Fear not there are ways to remedy it.
STEP 1. First make sure you have at least 4 of your pieces marked for public viewing.
STEP 2. Keep submitting work, everytime you make a new piece, you get put at the front of the unscouted section, most scouters are lazy and only check the first 2 pages or so of that section.
STEP 3. Make better work. Probably the real reason why you arent getting scouted is your stuff sucks, make better stuff.
STEP 4. Delete your bad stuff. If you have 2 good pieces but 18 shitty ones, people will ignore your good work and think that it was either stolen or a fluke, prove that you can consistantly make good stuff.
STEP 5. DON'T STEAL ANYTHING! If you get caught stealing work, or breaking any of the Art Portal rules chances are you have fucked all chances of getting scouted, or remaining scouted. The mods know when you steal something and remember it, and once you do it and get caught good luck getting into the art portal because we will be suspicious of anything you make.


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DragonPunchDragonPunch

2010-07-20 14:33:01

This system is unfair! I haven't even been checked out yet! Every OTHER artist and even artists who don't deserve scouting have been scouted! Why not me? I spend tons and tons of hours on my art just to impress you guys, and what thanks do I get? NONE! I want to be scouted really really badly.

ornery responds:

For starters you don't know whether or not people have seen your stuff, so don't assume that its just because you haven't been spotted. If you have more than 4 pieces and regularly make new work to replace your old then I can almost guarantee that people have noticed you and simply chosen not to scout you. This means that maybe you need to change your style, or try something different. Or improve instead of doing the same generic anime that you seem to be cranking out.


ExorzExorz

2010-08-01 04:14:31

Yeah you are right for making such a strict system in the Art Portal, I mean people can`t just upload shit like in the Flash Portal, like just two circles and getting scouted. Also, It feels better, when you make a lot of effort into something, but make it more times to improve your art skills and finally getting invited into the Art Portal.
Well, thanks for everything (again).
And make sure you visit some time, small talk and stuff :)

ornery responds:

I didn't make the system.
And people can upload whatever they want as long as it complies with the rules. However they wont get scouted with just any ol junk.


TowerOfSwineTowerOfSwine

2010-08-04 04:29:36

Wait a minute... What's it called when someone chooses to put your stuff in the art portal?

ornery responds:

Theft?


TowerOfSwineTowerOfSwine

2010-08-05 04:44:09

Oh, "scouting" is the word I was thinking of.

ornery responds:

Makes a lot more sense


DemocracyFTWDemocracyFTW

2010-08-06 18:41:33

Check out my art?

ornery responds:

Its getting there, still needs some refining though.


PyrosTheStickmanPyrosTheStickman

2010-08-29 14:23:06

But art DOESN'T appear in the portal unless you've been scouted by at least one user.Send me a PM if you reply.

And I hope you aren't REALLY ornery.

ornery responds:

Correct, and it only takes one user to scout you, since you can only be scouted by one user. Which is why its important to pick the best one who offered so that they don't get clipped and you fall with them.


OuchihitmeOuchihitme

2010-09-04 12:18:57

Thanks that guide is helping me not having lots of piles of shit for art . Thanks Alot:)


WyzenhuWyzenhu

2010-09-11 09:46:37

WOW this is a great guide! But what happens if I didn't press the public thingy? I didn't press it for most of my work because I thought people would still be able to see it and will have a chance to criticise it. Is there a way to change my work so they can be ticked public again? Even thought they've already been submitted?

ornery responds:

People can still see your work even if its not marked public. To mark it public go to the piece and edit it (next to the rating) there should be the option to mark it public. if that doesnt work you can PM a mod to do it for you.


OuchihitmeOuchihitme

2010-09-25 08:39:41

I just got Unscouted for some reason do you know why

ornery responds:

Probably because whoever scouted you was also pruned.


CommanderWalrusCommanderWalrus

2010-11-01 17:15:44

Thanks for the tips. I hope to eventually get scouted some day.

ornery responds:

Keep using the advice in the guide and you just might.


xXMetalhead92XxxXMetalhead92Xx

2010-11-21 11:48:43

How long do you have to wait till you get scouted?

ornery responds:

Someone obviously didnt read the guide...


OuchihitmeOuchihitme

2010-11-21 21:10:17

Zombie Eskimo Was the Dude Who Scouted Me Awkward Enough Right After I Got Scouted I got Unscouted And I Didnt Even Do anything

ornery responds:

Did you read the guide. You can get scouted, but if a mod sees your work and decides its not good enough you will be pruned.


kirihamakirihama

2010-11-29 13:05:27

Hot damn thats good advice! Thank you, i guess i only have ONE good art piece, going to delete the sucky work i have there and make good art, thanks man!

ornery responds:

Good lad


BarkBarkBOOMBarkBarkBOOM

2010-12-04 19:33:56

Thanks for clearing up the issue. I would have never known about the pruning thingie if I hadn't googled 'newgrounds scout artist' XP
I guess I'll have to be careful if I get any scouts :P

ornery responds:

You only have to be careful of who scouts you. if you scout bad people you will still be scouted and can post art, you just wont be able to scout anymore.


JTmovieJTmovie

2011-01-11 22:55:39

something wierd happend to me

i got a portal invite to be scouted by a user so i got a message from the M-bot thing and it said "do you want to be scouted yes or no" i clicked yes but then that angry smiley came up and said "Errors: Bad parent ID: no such member"

so i have no idea what to do

ornery responds:

Chances are the person who attempted to scout you was pruned before you were able to accept.


PinkRose11PinkRose11

2011-01-23 15:53:25

Is it possible that I (a unscouted regular old person) Can veiw the unscouted section? Or is it reserved?

ornery responds:

Only scouted users can view the unscouted section.


JackieBlueJackieBlue

2011-02-28 02:48:10

Wow...FIRST I post a blog asking to be scouted, THEN I read this. Well I certainly feel like an ass-hat. Regardless, this guide is INCREDIBLY helpful. And thorough! Well done sir. I had to go back and get rid of some..."sub-par" submissions, but it's the motivation I need to produce some decent work. Thanks a buttload!

ornery responds:

Just keep posting good stuff, im sure you will get noticed sooner or later.


saramary3saramary3

2011-03-14 18:57:37

WOW! I only wish that I'd read this post the FIRST time I was looking for advice on being scouted... But, seriously... thank you so much for the advice.

ornery responds:

De Nada


romanian1984romanian1984

2011-03-15 00:46:06

I can't find the unscouted section, where is that on this site?

ornery responds:

You have to be scouted in order to see it.


IndigoWraitheIndigoWraithe

2011-03-17 23:42:41

just wanted to say thank you so much for compiling this FAQ. I'm more or less a lurker on NG, just checking stuff out and looking around, but I seem to run into people asking questions about scouting more than anything else. Now I know where to direct them to get the answers. Also, it helps me out if I ever decide to post art.

ornery responds:

Thats what its here for


faomufaomu

2011-03-28 17:24:27

This is so helpful! I didn't know ANYTHING about scouting before I read this. I just kept seeing "this artist has not been scouted yet" So I googled it and ended up here. Wonderful advice.

ornery responds:

Wow this thing is googleable? Crazy!


Narutofan914Narutofan914

2011-05-15 16:06:46

I've never been scouted. For reading this, thank you for helping me, and Kinsei01...


macboo11macboo11

2011-06-23 15:10:28

Thank you This is alot of help to me and now i understand more then before i read this. Good Day to You


CodyBandicoot21CodyBandicoot21

2011-07-14 02:23:09

This is very helpful indeed.


dan22444dan22444

2011-08-04 13:19:24

Thanks heaps man, told me everything i needed to know.


intheinfiniteintheinfinite

2011-08-29 05:53:37

Oooooooooh, so that's why I haven't got any thing... I suck.
Well that's a sad reality check :(


BinaryDoodBinaryDood

2011-10-07 14:19:23

Thank you for the information but...

Can you please check my artwork to see if it's good enought?


crow342crow342

2011-10-19 04:49:53

Ooooooooooooooooh RIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT
No really i'm that stupid


tommysalami666tommysalami666

2011-11-22 12:19:19

thanks for the info sir, my art is improving check my portal out sometime soon its getting better all the time!!


vortigon09vortigon09

2012-01-22 07:18:32

am not scouted

3 people scout me and am not scouted and i have 21 deleted arts By M-bot

ornery responds:

Because you keep stealing art from other users. And the art that might be yours is pretty crap.


AfroRyanAfroRyan

2012-02-15 16:39:38

First, thanks for the FAQ. It was very useful. Second, allow me to correct a couple grammar errors...or rather the same grammar error twice.

"Scouting FAQ and guide because to many of you dont seem to quite get it."

That should be "Scouting FAQ and guide because too many of you dont seem to quite get it. "

"Q. This scouting system seems flawed, art is to varied to be considered good enough."

Should be "Q. This scouting system seems flawed, art is too varied to be considered good enough."

Please believe me when I say I'm not doing this to be nitpicky; I'm doing it because it's a well written FAQ and I wanted to help make it the tiniest bit better. This FAQ is the first hit on Google when "scout newgrounds" is searched, so you've definitely written an incredibly useful FAQ that is referenced pretty regularly. I mean no offense; thanks again!


mewiyevmewiyev

2012-02-22 14:53:12

Thank you very much for posting this and having it available. I did not realize that there was a separate area where scouted artists could view unscouted artists' pieces; I was wondering how I was supposed to get anyone to view my work if it's only being posted to my own page. :)


MClewisMClewis

2012-07-11 00:27:48

that makes me feel more stupid than i already am

ornery responds:

But now that you know it you should feel smarter.


DragonPunchDragonPunch

2012-08-04 11:39:00

I have been unscouted numerous times, and now, I can't even submit art to my own gallery! How many pieces may I have in my gallery while unscouted? Perhaps you should answer that question!

ornery responds:

If you are unscouted you can only have 20 pieces in your gallery. Delete the old bad stuff and replace it with new good stuff, as stated in Step 4.


nikolaipedrovakaNPnikolaipedrovakaNP

2012-08-25 16:41:27

Helpful...


cloudandiscloudandis

2012-10-14 21:40:05

Thank you so much for posting this. ^^ I was a little scared at first when I read two pms saying the same person attempted to scout me twice, and thought it was something like a referral. Yay google search! :D


Kuri-osityKuri-osity

2012-10-28 02:33:55

As a newcomer to the site, I'm adding my thanks to the many others who have found help through this. Much appreciated!


ChildSafetyLidChildSafetyLid

2013-01-06 23:21:46

I wanted to thank you for writing this guide and posting it for us, it helped me.


DarqueBasyliskDarqueBasylisk

2013-01-07 14:12:17

I'm a little desperate by thinking my work sucks. But Show must go on. :D


CapnCocaineCapnCocaine

2013-05-14 20:53:26

Thanks for the info! I had no idea what this whole "scouting" thing was about, but you've more explained it. I'll definitely upload more work when I get the chance!


SharktoofSharktoof

2013-05-27 19:38:41

This is extremely helpful! Thank you! I didn't know there was an unscouted art portal. :D I am a little bit less stupid, everyday! Is there a suggested time to post art, when it will get the most views? Or is it more or less the same results each time? Well thank you for the information. :)

ornery responds:

There isn't really a best time for the most part to submit art. The art portal doesn't move terribly quick so as long as your thumbs look intriguing enough people will check your stuff out. Its a cheap trick and personally I hate that the portal is being clogged with it, and users resort to it to often, but sticking tits in the thumb is almost a guarantee for more views than a piece deserves.


jaschiefferjaschieffer

2013-06-04 01:22:14

Thanks!


thayCVBthayCVB

2013-08-17 20:24:36

Hi,

Thanks a lot for the info, it really helped me because I'm new here and I didn't get all that "scouting" matter.

However, if it's not too bold to ask... why it is considered bad asking to be scouted? I'm just curious, nothing else.

Cheers!

ornery responds:

We want to discourage begging, if there wasnt a rule in place the forums and pm boxes would be flooded with threads and messages that read "OMG I DID ARTZ PLEASE SCOUT ME!" We already get a few of those to begin with even with the rule, so without it in place you can just imagine how irritating all the begging would get.


aaarinatoraaarinator

2013-08-20 19:29:07

thanks


SkankkySkankky

2013-09-01 19:36:51

Thanks for this ^_^ I was wondering what is whole this scouting thing and now it makes sense :)


moonwalkmoonwalk

2013-09-30 02:39:15

Thanks for the info!, I have just submitted 5 of my planes, and I am willing to wait.


ShiftingConixShiftingConix

2013-10-08 16:50:18

I have 2 questions.

1) how would I go about checking who is scouting me? Because I had no idea what she outing was but got the notification about it and just pressed accept just because it sounded helpful. (the word itself sounded helpful)
2) if I don't like the scouter or whatever how can I leave or become unscouted?

ornery responds:

Just check your scouters profile to see what their stuff is like to decide if you like them or not. If however you choose that you no longer want to be scouted after accepting a request, then contact an art mod and we can prune you (or audio mod if its audio you were referring to)


ShiftingConixShiftingConix

2013-10-08 22:08:49

I meant like.... How can you see who is scouting you when you don't remember their name. :(


RobbieLopezRobbieLopez

2013-10-22 10:18:08

Can you be scouted by more than one user or can you only choose one you'd prefer to be scouted by?

ornery responds:

You can only be scouted by one user at a time. And to my current knowledge once you accept a scout request it nullifies the other requests.


DessinmaitreDessinmaitre

2013-12-29 16:50:23

I say, quite a brilliant idea. I was about to ask someone why my work wasn't showing up in the portal haha. Just how many times does the penalty stack up? If bob who was scouted by linda who was scouted by avery who was scouted by me gets pruned, do we ALL get un-scouted? or just Linda? (fake names btw, just an example).

ornery responds:

chances are no one but bob would get pruned, linda might get her balls cut off, others should be safe though.